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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Sept 5, 2005 22:37:39 GMT
MON. SEP. 5/2005/18:38 E.S.T.
I read in this forum that several people who had seen the 2 min. STARHYKE™ trailer @ a convention in London dismissed it as “porn”, & since then, conflicting reports have arisen about audience response to it.
Yesternight, I was shown the STARHYKE™ trailer by Creator/Director MR. ANDREW DYMOND: I saw & heard it with my own eyes & ears, finding it to be a very clever & subtle celebration & parody of popular tropes & conceits in SFTV & SF Cinema, working on several different levels @ once, primarily because it’s clear that all those individuals connected with the show (producers, technical personnel & cast alike) genuinely love & care about Speculative Fiction/Science Fiction Entertainment, & really know their stuff!
I shan’t go into detail about the trailer’s content, as I don’t wish to spoil it for those of you who have not yet seen it, but what I witnessed made me experience thrills, excitement - & yes, Envy!  - on levels that I had not felt since the debut broadcast of the latest incarnation of DOCTOR WHO™: “ROSE”, & I’m convinced that most people who appreciate fare of that quality, as well as films like GALAXYQUEST™, FREE ENTERPRISE™, & series like FIREFLY™, will not be disappointed by what STARHYKE™ has to offer.
Having seen films like SEX TREK™ & FLESH GORDON™, I can assure you that there is nothing even remotely “pornographic” about STARHYKE™, & that there is no part of the anatomy seen that would not be shown in an episode of STAR TREK™/THE NEXT GENERATION™/VOYAGER™/DEEP SPACE 9™/ENTERPRISE™ & their spin-off motion pictures; nor is there any situation depicted or simulated between the characters that would violate such parameters.
On the basis of what I saw & heard, I find myself looking forward to the pilot broadcast with even greater eagerness than before, & I hope that when the STARHYKE™ series finally hits the airwaves, you will give all 6 episodes a chance to engage you, rather than rejecting it on the basis of hysterical, hyperbolic hearsay about the trailer.
This is a great time for British SFTV, & I'm proud to be an audient/viewer!
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Post by Anneli on Sept 6, 2005 6:49:10 GMT
Malcolm,
I whole-heartedly agree with you. I can't wait to see the first episode at Atlantis con and am looking forward to seeing it on the telly.
As to the past 'controversey' there is no more or less flesh shown than in a Carry On film and they are shown in the afternoon on the BBC and the like and they aren't considered porn.
Yours
Anneli
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Post by MALCOLM XERXES™ on Sept 9, 2005 4:40:19 GMT
Malcolm, I whole-heartedly agree with you. I can't wait to see the first episode at Atlantis con and am looking forward to seeing it on the telly. As to the past 'controversey' there is no more or less flesh shown than in a Carry On film and they are shown in the afternoon on the BBC and the like and they aren't considered porn. Yours Anneli
ANNELI,
Thank you for your corroborative support of my position.
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Post by hellsbells on Sept 11, 2005 9:01:19 GMT
Hi Malcolm
It is nice to see you liked the trailer.
I viewed the trailer at the Creation event with my own eyes and ears and although I formed an opinon of the show due to this viewing, I could see why it would appeal to others. I was vastly unimpressed with the content, apart from the visual effects, and this has nothing to do with the use of costume (volume or not) Any situation comedy will encounter problems, the balance between getting it right or failing to hit the mark can be easily tipped. We all have a different slant on what is funny and what is not, just as what one person finds tasteful another may see it as distasteful. This is our diversity.
That said we are all entitled to our opinion and as I have not seen the trailer you viewed (Peter Draper Visual Effects Director for Lightworx has stated the trailer shown at creation was quickly cobbled together and did not portray the show to best effect)
As for the hyperbolic and hysterical views placed on here, I myself cannot see where you find the 'deliberate and obvious exaggeration' My lasting view of the trailer (5mths on) was of scantily dressed females (in the Benny hill tradition) and a not so well done shot of Brad Gorton sliding along a floor firing a weapon. Maybe the editing of the clips should have been better but this is the product I saw and obviously others on the Forum saw. Their views are as relevant as any others even if their posts may not possess the eloquence of your own.
As for conflicting reports of audience respone I can only say the audience members around me only expressed their opinions when they were asked to by the crew on the stage (dont ask if you dont really want to know) In my opinion the tepid reception was then turned to ice when a remark was made about Red Dwarf from Jonathan Brown. Red Dwarf is a well loved British series and unfortunatley the audience, myself included, did not take too kindly to the remarks made. Sometimes it is not what is said, it is the inference perceived.
There will always be individuals who will act on the opinion of others but I believe most will give the show a chance despite or even because of the discussions on here and in other forums. Lets face it we have all been to see or bought a movie because the trailer looked good only to discover the trailer contained the only decent clips.
Heres to your enjoyment of the series and good luck in being the convention promoter for Star Hyke in Canada. I read a post from you on another forum telling us of your good fortune in being asked to be the Canadian contact for convention promotion of Star Hyke. Your eloquence will be a great asset.
Helen
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Post by cjerger on Sept 16, 2005 10:15:59 GMT
Hi Malcom, I agree with you it a great new show coming out. I too was there when Andrew show us the trailer in chat some weeks ago.
cj
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Post by Gideon (SWG-UK) on Sept 16, 2005 11:34:00 GMT
Hi Malcom, I agree with you it a great new show coming out. I too was there when Andrew show us the trailer in chat some weeks ago. cj I was at Creation Entertainment's Official Star Trek Convention in London when it was badly received and universally slated as being tacky and being in bad taste. I also understand that a newer trailer was being prepared, which was the one shown to Malcolm Xerxes and the Star Hyke Yahoo Group. The whole show seems to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, which is quite handy as it seems to have been made by said same. However, after conversing with BigHairyKev on the subject of Star Hyke, he states that I should give it a chance, which I consider very generous of him under the circumstances. |
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Post by BigHairyKev on Sept 16, 2005 14:50:18 GMT
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Post by Anneli on Sept 16, 2005 16:16:24 GMT
The whole show seems to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, which is quite handy as it seems to have been made by said same.
Thank you, I shall remember to pass your comment along to Claudia as she helped produce and direct the show. And thank you for myself, as I worked on the show. It's nice to know you think we are the lowest common denominator.
However, after conversing with BigHairyKev on the subject of Star Hyke, he states that I should give it a chance, which I consider very generous of him under the circumstances.[/quote]
What circumstances?
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Post by Gideon (SWG-UK) on Sept 16, 2005 17:54:10 GMT
...I shall remember to pass your comment along to Claudia as she helped produce and direct the show... A threat? A petty childish one, but a threat nonetheless. And what would you be reporting? There is nothing about me to report, as all you have is my tag name. So that makes it petty, childish AND entirely unconsidered. I also take note of the fact that you logged on after many Members had posted tributes to Malcolm Xerxes, who was in your Star Hyke Yahoo Group, but didn't even bother to post a comment about his passing, showing a complete lack of respect for him. I also remember Claudia being interviewed before Star Hyke and saying there was a lack of acting jobs in Los Angeles and she even had to fly to England and take "...any old sh** roles to pay the bills...", which I take to mean Star Hyke as that's all she filmed here. So her opinion of Star Hyke is very low too, but she has to smile for the cameras to promote it. I personally find your attitude unbecoming for a Moderator on here, as these Boards have a huge amount of respect world wide. And please learn to use the "quote" function correctly, it's supposed to be idiot proof but obviously it isn't.  |
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Post by Anneli on Sept 16, 2005 18:27:16 GMT
If you had bothered to check. I was the first one to post about Malcolm after BHK.
You can take it anyway you want, it wasn't a threat, if you didnt want people like Claudia to know what you were saying, don't say it. . I really don't care. I do however think it says something that you can call people stupid and get away with it on a world renouned website.
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Post by Anneli on Sept 16, 2005 18:33:24 GMT
I also take note of the fact that you logged on after many Members had posted tributes to Malcolm Xerxes, who was in your Star Hyke Yahoo Group, but didn't even bother to post a comment about his passing, showing a complete lack of respect for him. I did it on the yahoo site, just to clarify, I didn't do it here as I do not get flagged messages from this site. How dare you tell me how I felt about Malcolm. You are the one that is inconsiderate and rude. |
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Post by BigHairyKev on Sept 16, 2005 18:33:53 GMT
No Flaming !
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Post by Gideon (SWG-UK) on Sept 16, 2005 18:51:56 GMT
I also take note of the fact that you logged on after many Members had posted tributes to Malcolm Xerxes, who was in your Star Hyke Yahoo Group, but didn't even bother to post a comment about his passing, showing a complete lack of respect for him. I did it on the yahoo site, just to clarify, I didn't do it here as I do not get flagged messages from this site. How dare you tell me how I felt about Malcolm. You are the one that is inconsiderate and rude. BHK informs me that you are about to quit? Surely we can discuss things like adults without any tantrums! Debate is good, and if everyone agreed with each other, the world would be a boring place. With respect, Gideon. |
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Post by BigHairyKev on Sept 16, 2005 18:54:58 GMT
I fail to see what quitting would prove - as Gideon has said - debate is good  Ok - so you disagree about one show - there must be others you BOTH like and can chat about those - there are plenty of Sections - with more on the way |
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Post by Anneli on Sept 16, 2005 19:11:39 GMT
I didn't throw a tantrum. I have been insulted several times on this site and had simply had enough, especially the comment about me not caring about Malcolm.
Also, i just want to point out that the reason I was going to quit was because of the above. I know full well that everyone isn't going to agree on everything. But the way you came accross was not debate. It was insulting and quite honestly made me cry. I guess I am too sensitve.
yours
Anneli
I just wanted to add my apologies for my part in this as I am not normally like this. I find it hard to be mean and rude and it's not like me at all. I guess having two friends die in two weeks is too much eh?
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Post by Susieg on Sept 16, 2005 19:51:32 GMT
I didn't throw a tantrum. I have been insulted several times on this site and had simply had enough, especially the comment about me not caring about Malcolm. yours Anneli I am very concerned that a member feels they have been insulted on the site. The forum is here to inform and evoke debate on varied topics. This is why the use of profanity and personal remarks are discouraged. I am sorry you are upset by another members postings. Opinions will always vary and sometimes depth of feeling can spill over into posts. I think being a part of the shows production gives it a special place in your affections, another member has already posted my view which is... we are all entitled to our opinion. Although we have to be aware some may not agree with said opinion The forum (I hope) encourages interaction between opposing opinions in what we hope is a healthy way. Susieg I have always held the belief that the best way to overcome a dissenting opinion is to be open to anothers view and to overcome with rational and alternative comments. I saw the trailer shown at the Creation event, although I have no problem with the use of 'saucy dress' or 'innuend' but some individuals are not happy with this type of comedy. I personally do not like innuendo when it is overdone or overused. I think Anneli has intimated that the shows innuendo is in the vein of the Carry On movies which the majority of us will be familiar with. As I have only seen a small portion of the show ie the trailer I cannot comment on the amount of screen time this type of comedy has. But I have to admit this is the main 'turn off' for me personally as I now view this type of comedy as a little dated and done to death. That said I am hoping this is an initial view based on a trailer which in my opinion was not well put together and I will give the show a chance when it hits the screen. I am sure others,even the detractors, will also be doing this. My opinions are personal and I hope are respected as such even if not agreed with |
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Post by BigHairyKev on Sept 16, 2005 20:15:27 GMT
As always - an elegent post from Susieg - I'm not so elegant with prowse - so here goes... BigHairyKev sez - watch it - judge later |
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Post by Anneli on Sept 16, 2005 20:56:50 GMT
I do agree with you Susie. It is everyones right to like or dilike. But there is saying 'i don't like that' and there is saying 'this is porn, or the people who star in it and worked on it are subnormal, etc'. If you or anyone else don't like the show I am not going to try to change your mind, that is your opinion.
However, I will get defensive when people get personal or say things that just arent true. I know it has been said that I am too peachy sweet about the whole thing and that opinions have been squashed on other sites. THIS IS UNTRUE. When it gets personal, we will delete posts.
For some bizarre reason this has happened a lot with other projects Andrew has done. All I can say is that at least he is trying and acomplishing his dreams.
Believe it or not, I am very hard to please when it comes to my sci-fi. The reason the show has my whole hearted support is because I have read the scripts and I think it is good, but having said that, it is just my opinion.
Like I already said, if its not your cup of tea, that is all well and good, but I think it needs to be said better or expressed differently. I know I don't always make myself understood completely and for that I apologise.
I did just want to say that I was not involved in the production of the show. As a friend of Andrew,myself and my husband helped out (and i use the term lightly)with building and painting of the sets. Mostly we got in the way and played with the props. But we did get to meet the whole cast when they visted the set during reheasals which was a major bonus.
Anyway, I am going off into lala land now. Your comments are appreciated and respected Susie.
Yours
Anneli
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Post by Gideon (SWG-UK) on Sept 16, 2005 21:36:13 GMT
...I was not involved in the production of the show... Yes you were, it's a well known fact that you worked on the show, and even appear in it! ...especially the comment about me not caring about Malcolm... I didn't say you didn't care, I said you hadn't posted a tribute. The fact that BigHairyKev was part of the original team behind Star Hyke, and STILL promotes it! I think that says alot about the man. Now, I hate the idea of the show, but BHK has asked me personally to give it a chance. I respect his request, and will watch it when it airs. |
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Post by Anneli on Sept 16, 2005 21:58:05 GMT
...I was not involved in the production of the show... Yes you were, it's a well known fact that you worked on the show, and even appear in it! I didn't say you didn't care, I said you hadn't posted a tribute. The fact that BigHairyKev was part of the original team behind Star Hyke, and STILL promotes it! I think that says alot about the man. Now, I hate the idea of the show, but BHK has asked me personally to give it a chance. I respect his request, and will watch it when it airs. You seem to wish to pick apart everything I say. I did post a tribute, just not here on this particular site. Helping paint and make some ceiling panels isnt what I would call be involved in the production, just a helping hand. Considering the months it took to make I was there for about a week. Not to mention post-production. One day was shooting and you'll be lucky if you see me for more than 10 seconds. I have never said otherwise, I have never ever claimed to be involved with the production of the show. I helped and nothing more. As for BHK being involved from the start, he was asked to put in a bid for the set design which went to someone else and has promoted the show which has been appreciated. Several people were approached about set design and Kev was one of them. That is the only behind the scenes work that I am aware of in regards to Kev. Anneli |
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- on levels that I had not felt since the debut broadcast of the latest incarnation of DOCTOR WHO™: “ROSE”, & I’m convinced that most people who appreciate fare of that quality, as well as films like GALAXYQUEST™, FREE ENTERPRISE™, & series like FIREFLY™, will not be disappointed by what STARHYKE™ has to offer.
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